DOS ain't dead

Has anyone managed to download Framework Pascal Compiler 6.1 from the website:

https://pascal.developpez.com/telecharger/detail/id/1667/Framework-Pascal

?

If so, please upload it for me.

Thanks.

> Has anyone managed to download Framework Pascal Compiler 6.1 from the
> website:
>
> https://pascal.developpez.com/telecharger/detail/id/1667/Framework-Pascal
>
> ?
>
> If so, please upload it for me.
>
> Thanks.

I can't read French so used translate.google.com

"Framework Pascal succeeds TMT Pascal since version 6.0.
Mainly intended for the Win32 platform, FrameWork Pascal also allows you to compile for 32-bit DOS. Framework Pascal loudly claims to be able to bring your Turbo Pascal applications to life - it must be admitted that other compilers do it... while being free.
A particular effort seems to have been made in terms of graphics libraries: OpenGL and DirectX of course but also MGL and, more surprisingly, VESA/VBE 2!

Unfortunately, there is no evaluation version of Framework Pascal. On the other hand, version 3.90 of TMT Pascal, which only allows compilation for DOS, can be obtained by students and educational establishments."

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> Has anyone managed to download Framework Pascal Compiler 6.1 from the
> website:
>
> https://pascal.developpez.com/telecharger/detail/id/1667/Framework-Pascal
>
> ?
>
> If so, please upload it for me.

This site says: "License: Paid" and "Unfortunately, there is no evaluation version of Framework Pascal. On the other hand, version 3.90 of TMT Pascal, which only allows compilation for DOS, can be obtained by students and educational establishments."

So, Framework Pascal 6.1 is not available for download.

Downloads of TMT Pascal 3.90 Lite or 3.50 SP2 Lite are still available at the assembler / compiler section on our Links page. Look for "TMT Pascal".

I can also upload ref.pdf and units.pdf, if needed.

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Unfortunately, Framework pascal 6.1 does not exist.
The original russian developpers ended with TMT 5.1
After that, Framework software bought it and for some time it was possible to buy it under name Framework pascal 5.1.
(BTW, I have it)
After some time they announced the 6.1 but the compiler remained the same - only some included units was added, nothing more. But it was never been sold in reality.
Two years ago I tried to buy the 6.1 from them.
They responded that FWP 6.1 in not ready as they changed their focus to write firmware for Gigabyte motherboards but they sent me the FWP 5.1

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> Unfortunately, Framework pascal 6.1 does not exist.
> The original russian developpers ended with TMT 5.1
> After that, Framework software bought it and for some time it was possible
> to buy it under name Framework pascal 5.1.
> (BTW, I have it)
> After some time they announced the 6.1 but the compiler remained the same -
> only some included units was added, nothing more. But it was never been
> sold in reality.
> Two years ago I tried to buy the 6.1 from them.
> They responded that FWP 6.1 in not ready as they changed their focus to
> write firmware for Gigabyte motherboards but they sent me the FWP 5.1

Hmm... sounds like FWP 6.1 actually never _really_ existed in the first place.

Similar to the 'never really existed' DR-DOS 8.x
which was in reality 'pirated/plagiarized' from Udo's Enhanced-DRDOS/FreeDOS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DR-DOS#Controversies

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> Hmm... sounds like FWP 6.1 actually never _really_ existed in the first
> place.

Got this mail from Framework today: "We are in the middle of rewriting it. It may be ready in 3 month. The target is full GUI libraries that can be compiled for Windows as well as EUFI."

I guess, he meant UEFI.

By the way: He didn't send me FWP 5.1.

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> > Hmm... sounds like FWP 6.1 actually never _really_ existed in the first
> > place.
>
> Got this mail from Framework today: "We are in the middle of rewriting
> it. It may be ready in 3 month. The target is full GUI libraries that can
> be compiled for Windows as well as EUFI."
>
> I guess, he meant UEFI.
>
> By the way: He didn't send me FWP 5.1.

Since this announcement was made in Feb of 2008
https://pascal.developpez.com/telecharger/detail/id/1667/Framework-Pascal
and it's still not available...

I'm sticking with 'never _really_ existed in the first place.'
(and still does not exist)

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Has somebody succeeded to get the DOS version of GNU pascal to work?
I am able to compile some very simple programs like Hello World.
But if I try to any program calling other units I am not able to do it.
It is difficult for me as the GNU pascal is a hybrid between pascal world and conventions and C/DPGPP conventions which I am not familiar to.

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> Has somebody succeeded to get the DOS version of GNU pascal to work?
> I am able to compile some very simple programs like Hello World.
> But if I try to any program calling other units I am not able to do it.
> It is difficult for me as the GNU pascal is a hybrid between pascal world
> and conventions and C/DPGPP conventions which I am not familiar to.

Yes, I sometimes use it for simple programs. But the only real advantage to GNU Pascal is its support for the two standards (which I like): 7185 and 10206. Otherwise it's way too bloated output. (When the P5 bytecode compiler/interpreter itself is barely bigger than "hello world", you've got a problem. UPX helps but not a lot.)

You can specify --uses=heapmon (etc.) on cmdline, but you'll probably also need --automake . I'm not sure what you're trying to do, but I can send you a makefile or examples through gmail.

Wow!!!
Could you send me (or upload somewhare) your working GNU pascal package
(rather even with bundled DJGPP) to be runnable just out of the box?
I would like to try it a little bit.
The main advantage should be the easy linking to DJGPP libraries like Allegro.

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> Wow!!!
> Could you send me (or upload somewhare) your working GNU pascal package
> (rather even with bundled DJGPP) to be runnable just out of the box?
> I would like to try it a little bit.
> The main advantage should be the easy linking to DJGPP libraries like
> Allegro.

You really only need GCC, GPC, BinUtils, DJDEV, and maybe MAKE. It installs in the standard way. There's no need for me to send you those unmodified files, but I'll send you my setup .BAT if you want.

> You really only need GCC, GPC, BinUtils, DJDEV, and maybe MAKE. It installs
> in the standard way. There's no need for me to send you those unmodified
> files, but I'll send you my setup .BAT if you want.

OK, send me please the BAT file.

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gpc.bat

@echo off
if not "%DJGPP%"=="" goto end
if "%RAMDRIVE%"=="" goto end
if exist %RAMDRIVE%:\GPC\BIN\gpc.exe goto end
set Z1=C:\ZIPS\DJGPP
set U1=%UNZIP%
set UNZIP=%UNZIP% -qqqn
for %%a in (md pushd) do %%a %RAMDRIVE%:\GPC
if not "%DEBUG%"=="" time /t
unzip %Z1%\OLD\g[pc]c.old
unzip %Z1%\djdev.zip
unzip %Z1%\make.zip
unzip %Z1%\binutils.zip
set UNZIP=%U1%
for %%z in (Z1 U1) do set %%z=
popd
if "%NOPACK%"=="" upx -qqq %RAMDRIVE%:\GPC\...\*c1.exe
if "%NOPACK%"=="" upx -qqq --best %RAMDRIVE%:\GPC\...\*.exe
if not "%DEBUG%"=="" time /t
set DJGPP=%RAMDRIVE%:\GPC\djgpp.env
call mypath %RAMDRIVE%:\GPC\BIN
prompt [ FreeDOS - DJGPP/GPC ]
if not "%1"=="" gpc.exe %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9
:end


gpc.mak

# By default, GNU make doesn't really set PC and PFLAGS to useful values.
# You can "set PC=gpc" and "set PFLAGS=-O --classic-pascal" and "make b"
# (if b.p exists), but below is a slightly better way.
#
# Put this in /dev/env/DJDIR/include and "set MAKEFILES=gpc.mak".
# Then you can use this as additional default rules, e.g. "make b.exe".
#
# Otherwise you'll have to make your own local makefile and separately
#   "-include" this one at top with its full path specified.
#
# You can then also "set DIALECT=--classic-pascal" so you don't have
#   to manually override it on cmdline every time.

EXE       = .exe
PC        = gpc

DEBUG    ?= -s
MARCH    ?= pentium
MTUNE    ?= i686
OPTLEVEL ?= -O2
INLINE   ?= -finline-functions
OPTIMIZE ?= $(OPTLEVEL) $(INLINE) -march=$(MARCH) -mtune=$(MTUNE)
WARN     ?= -Wall -Wextra
DIALECT  ?= --extended-pascal
AUTOMAKE ?= --automake
RANGE    ?= --no-range-checking
FPO      ?= -fomit-frame-pointer #-momit-leaf-frame-pointer
#OTHER   ?= --uses=heapmon

PFLAGS   ?= $(DEBUG) $(WARN) $(OPTIMIZE) $(DIALECT) $(AUTOMAKE)\
 $(RANGE) $(FPO) $(OTHER)

%$(EXE):: %.pas
{!TAB!}$(PC) $(PFLAGS) $< -o $@

# EOF