DOS ain't dead

Sorry but I saw most of the discussion not necessary.

Some guys always insist UPX not safe, then you can unpack it, delete UPX from your hard disk and feeling happy.

If you think UIDE/XMGR have problem after packing, don't use it and delete it from your hard disk, why waste time typing long long message for something you know in 5 seconds, just boot it and you know the result.

Well ... I guess those are too lonely and want to start a fight with other, why didn't you just find your neighbor?

When everyone have no UIDE to use, those guys are happy?
It's too simple for a 6 years old child to judge who's bad guys, hope this forum will index in Internet archive forever.

> Well ... I guess those are too lonely and want to start a fight with
> other, why didn't you just find your neighbor?

It's much more difficult, not in the last place since your neighbour knows you, unlike here, where they do everything possible to remain anonymous (their top concern!), and so they can do anything here without any responsibility. It's much easier.

> When everyone have no UIDE to use, those guys are happy?

I suspect that this was their real goal, although they try to refute me.

> It's too simple for a 6 years old child to judge who's bad guys, hope this
> forum will index in Internet archive forever.

Yes, so everybody can judge for themselves who is who. It's so obvious, indeed.

> Sorry but I saw most of the discussion not necessary.
>
> Some guys always insist UPX not safe, then you can unpack it, delete UPX
> from your hard disk and feeling happy.
I like this packer, but I have never seen DOS SYS drivers packed with this packer before drivers of Jack... His drivers are small enough (moreover, tiny) even without UPX, which is very actual for "heavy" DJGPP executables or WIN32 PE files.

> If you think UIDE/XMGR have problem after packing, don't use it and delete
> it from your hard disk, why waste time typing long long message for
If I see such a problem, I'll simply assemble non-packed version from ASM sources (MASM 5.10 or Pravetz-16 386 ASM from Lucho).

> When everyone have no UIDE to use, those guys are happy?
I see that you have removed drivers.zip from your site. That's a pity :( - those forum flamewars aren't really important. E.g. MS Windows is often called "must die" or "crap" but Bill Gates releases it year to year...

P.S. I perfectly understand that modern DOS is made of hacks itself, and UPX in SYS file isn't the most dangerous :).

> Sorry but I saw most of the discussion not necessary.
>
> Some guys always insist UPX not safe, then you can unpack it, delete UPX
> from your hard disk and feeling happy.
>
> If you think UIDE/XMGR have problem after packing, don't use it and delete
> it from your hard disk, why waste time typing long long message for
> something you know in 5 seconds, just boot it and you know the result.
>
> Well ... I guess those are too lonely and want to start a fight with
> other, why didn't you just find your neighbor?

Forums are for discussing.

It was about calmly, rationally discussing whether or not to compress it in the first place, since compression is totally unnecessary for all but a handful of people who could easily compress it themselves, not about starting a fight.

Unfortunately, the thread starter was incapable of calm, rational discussion.

Forum is short for "Discussion Forum." Does this make sense now?

sol, what I dislike most in you is your fantastic hypocrisy. Are you really interested in Jack's work? If not, why do you have the need to comment?

OTOH, as you are ashamed of your own name, that means that you had done "bad things". The best for you is to finally confess, and ease your soul. You can do it on this board and discover with this occasion which is the meaning of this "DOS" board.

Didn't you say you were leaving this board? You're such a liar.

> Didn't you say you were leaving this board? You're such a liar.

He's still waiting for rr to choose between him and you.

> > Sorry but I saw most of the discussion not necessary.
> >
> > Some guys always insist UPX not safe, then you can unpack it, delete
> UPX
> > from your hard disk and feeling happy.
> I like this packer, but I have never seen DOS SYS drivers packed with this
> packer before drivers of Jack... His drivers are small enough (moreover,
> tiny) even without UPX, which is very actual for "heavy" DJGPP executables
> or WIN32 PE files.
>

Heh, the latest Dungeon Crawl ("Tiles" version) .EXE for Win32 is over 30 MB (and not UPX'd either, only ZIP'd).

> > If you think UIDE/XMGR have problem after packing, don't use it and
> delete
> > it from your hard disk, why waste time typing long long message for
> If I see such a problem, I'll simply assemble non-packed version from ASM
> sources (MASM 5.10 or Pravetz-16 386 ASM from Lucho).
>

Don't forget that WASM from OpenWatcom works too (thanks to japheth for telling us).

> > When everyone have no UIDE to use, those guys are happy?
> I see that you have removed drivers.zip from your site. That's a pity :( -
> those forum flamewars aren't really important. E.g. MS Windows is often
> called "must die" or "crap" but Bill Gates releases it year to year...

Yeah, very confusing. I mean, I don't see any possibility (or harm, in theory) of anybody associating rr with JRE. But whatever. (Does this mean Lucho and I can't share the drivers on our distros? Granted, Lucho is more of an "ally" than some random guy like me, but still ....)

> P.S. I perfectly understand that modern DOS is made of hacks itself, and
> UPX in SYS file isn't the most dangerous :).

NANSI is also UPX'd, and Eric gave a similar warning about crashing if not enough room was available. But so far, I've had no issues (just let it load normally from FDCONFIG.SYS). And yes, I must be one of the few who still want to save 1k from their floppy.

> Does this mean Lucho and I can't share the drivers on our distros?
> Granted, Lucho is more of an "ally" than some random guy like me,
> but still ...

Not a problem, my friend, if you wish to include XMGR and/or UIDE on your
diskettes. If you need a separate, "covering" E-Mail, please contact me
at my personal E-Mail address, and I will reply directly to you.

I regret that, after three direct requests for the "links" to my drivers
to be deleted from this website, nothing was done, and thus the only way
for me to deal with the "situation" was for the files to be deleted from
Johnson's website. This is NO reflection on you, Johnson, nor Lucho.

Jack R. Ellis

Greetings, Herr GeneralOberst! Along with Lucho, I was so busy running a
Blitzkrieg against two of your Sturmtroopers that I hadn't noticed you are
back, today!

In fact, Herr G.O., English is a simple language, when it is not burdened
with innuendo, double-meanings, guile, and other complex items.

Re: how you can redefine "leaving", you might try doing this in terms of
"Unlimited DEFENSE whenever NECESSARY", or maybe in terms of "Keepen Zie
Foul MOUTHEN SHUT"!!

I believe those two redefinitions should do what you want rather nicely,
Herr GeneralOberst! Might save Khusraw, Lucho, and me running any more
Blitzkriegs, as well. Do "instruct" your good friends, Herr Oberst and
"Little Stevie" [18-month-olds may not be Obersturmfuehrers!], about all
this, as well!

> Why Blitzkrieg?

Because real soon now, this forum will be stopped by your system administrator!

> The paranoid mind is in PERMANENT war with the outer world. I can't imagine
> you never read a book about paranoia, you're intelligent and know your problem.

The problem is that this problem is not his but exactly yours, and you know it but play as you have no problem.

You're like the cats - never fall or your back! And while the cat makes physical body twists to achieve that, you twist your tongue, which makes you so pitiful.

> Didn't you say you were leaving this board? You're such a liar.

You have reached your goals. Your self-hate turned to DOS-hate has transformed this board in a cesspool. Now it's time for you to leave and clean your traces.

> English is a simple language, when it is not burdened
> with innuendo, double-meanings, guile, and other complex item
Of course it's simple for you: English is your native language. My first language is Russian and I think English has some hard things,e.g.
1) Difficult sounds in pronounsing (th, ng, qu); complicated spelling
2) It is hard to understand the meaning of "a" and "the"
3) Complicated grammatic of verbs (of course, Russian grammatic is even more difficult).
Of course, Russian language has much more difficulties: unusual alphabet, genders and cases of nouns, absense of fixed order in sentences...

> You're intelligent and know your problem.

Sure do, Herr GeneralOberst, and at the moment, it centers on 3 members of
this forum. They seem to believe they can mercilessly ATTACK me and some
of my friends, just because we reserve the right to DEFEND ourselves when-
ever so attacked. They simply REFUSE to understand the word DEFENSE, and
it sometimes becomes necessary to BLITZKRIEG them, in return, which we all
know how to do quite well, since our ages, mentality, and general "common
sense" about BATTLE TACTICS makes our 3 sorry-assed opponents look like 3
rank beginners!

Battles are sometimes necessary, Herr GeneralOberst, as I thought a man of
your rank would understand. When won, the victors are usually quiet about
it and leave, subject to the following definitions for "leave", which you
asked me about in your last posting:

> Re: how you can redefine "leaving", you might try doing this in terms of
> "Unlimited DEFENSE whenever NECESSARY", or maybe in terms of "Keepen Zie
> Foul MOUTHEN SHUT"!!

When battles are lost, the losers can be made to look like 18-month-olds,
like total DISGRACES to their countries, or sometimes they even become a
Burgermeister.

Yes sir, Herr GeneralOberst, that is my problem: Having to run BLITZKRIEGS
on sorry-assed foul MOUTHS that simply do NOT know when to QUIT!!!

Sure do know my problem, Herr G.O. -- Do you know yours??

For your info, Alexey, Grech was "joking" about English, and my reply
was an equivalent "joke" against HIM in return. Stay out of this.

> Because real soon now, this forum will be stopped by your system
> administrator!

Possibly. But it may also be that he has finally realized the type of game you are playing here.

> The problem is that this problem is not his but exactly yours, and you
> know it but play as you have no problem.

Why don't you let Jack talk for himself. Does he need a Mommy?

And don't tell me that you're defending Jack. First, you are a miserable defender. And second, my post was no attack, just a neutral statement. You're just insulting Jack's intelligence by trying to persuade him that he's no problem. After all, there are quite some famous and honorable persons in history having been paranoid, one of them Alexander the Great. So please continue in your process of leaving and don't talk to me!

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MS-DOS forever!

> Why Blitzkrieg? The paranoid mind is in PERMANENT war with the outer
> world. I can't imagine you never read a book about paranoia, you're
> intelligent and know your problem.

Better for you would be to take some methylphenidate. This will help you to dramatically improve your performances and will solve most of your problems.

> Possibly. But it may also be that he has finally realized the type of game you are playing here.

This game is all yours, not ours!

> And don't tell me that you're defending Jack. First, you are a miserable defender.

...says the miserable attacker

> And second, my post was no attack, just a neutral statement.
> You're just insulting Jack's intelligence by trying to persuade him that
> he's no problem. After all, there are quite some famous and honorable
> persons in history having been paranoid, one of them Alexander the Great.
> So please continue in your process of leaving and don't talk to me!

This is called "twisted tongue" in English, as far as I know. I sometimes wonder who is a bigger hypocrite - the unnamed one who named himself a coward, or you?

> > And second, my post was no attack, just a neutral statement.
> > You're just insulting Jack's intelligence by trying to persuade him that
> > he's no problem. After all, there are quite some famous and honorable
> > persons in history having been paranoid, one of them Alexander the Great.
> > So please continue in your process of leaving and don't talk to me!
>
> This is called "twisted tongue" in English, as far as I know.

It's not.

Lucho, you should listen to "Little Stevie", in this case! He seems to
have his diapers changed, may not be carrying-around a LOAD in his pants
(as we say), and seems to have passed a few of my exams! And for once,
he is correct: The correct word in this case IS "hypocrisy", for I see
LITTLE "neutrality" in the Herr Burgermeister's first statement.

> In fact, Herr G.O., English is a simple language, when it is not burdened
> with innuendo, double-meanings, guile, and other complex items.

Right, simple - at your level of comprehension.

> Re: how you can redefine "leaving", you might try doing this in terms of
> "Unlimited DEFENSE whenever NECESSARY", or maybe in terms of "Keepen Zie
> Foul MOUTHEN SHUT"!!

And obviously German is too complex for you. Using pig-German makes you the pig, not Japheth or any of his countrymen.

> I believe those two redefinitions should do what you want rather nicely,
> Herr GeneralOberst! Might save Khusraw, Lucho, and me running any more
> Blitzkriegs, as well.

It's so sad, your being forced to launch a war against the evil ones who don't submit to your greatness.

> Right, simple

English can be simple can be complex. Right now, I'll follow the K.I.S.S.
Principle, "Little Stevie", since you are back in my classroom again!

> German is too complex

Not hardly, "Little Stevie"! It was simplified in the 1800s, as I recall,
and though I never had time to learn it, it and Dutch are close to English,
and one who speaks English CAN make himself "understood" in German, when it
is necessary. I have no trouble doing so, all the time! Another of your
subjects for about 15 years from now!

> A war against the evil ones

Many such wars in our history, "Little Stevie"! History is something you
can begin learning in only about 8 years!

> > This is called "twisted tongue" in English, as far as I know.
>
> It's not.

All right, I admitted that my knowledge of English is limited. What is "twisted tongue" (as an idiom) then?

> If your illusions make feel you better ...

Correct English is "make you feel better", Herr Burgermeister! And yes,
mine do, especially the image of a pot-bellied Burgermeister in Lederhosen,
rather than a crisp, impressive GeneralOberst uniform with those beautiful
gold flintlock guns on the collar.

> Your opponents may just get bored and lost interest. This might be
> especially true if they fight with Lucho or Kushrow, both of which have
> neither fantasy nor humor.

His name is Khusraw, Herr Burgermeister -- Perhaps you should join "Little
Stevie" in my spelling class for pre-schoolers. Actually, both Lucho and
Khusraw have a rather sardonic sense of humor, same as mine, and I learn
from them, not just technically but personally, too! As for my opponents,
they might more-likely get DEFEATED, if today is any indication!

> Ok, continue with your wars

Absolutely, Herr Burgermeister! Until the battle and the campaign are won!

To the best of my knowledge, American English, and perhaps all others, does
not have the expression "twisted tongue". But, thanks to Native American
tribes, we do have the expression "speaking with a forked tongue", meaning
the split tongue of a snake. The expression means "lying".

> Your interpretation is possibly a bit too optimistic. Your opponents may
> just get bored and lost interest. This might be especially true if they
> fight with Lucho or Kushrow, both of which have neither fantasy nor humor.

Where does your superiority complex come from? Are you Uebermensch, whereas we are just Untermenschen?

> But I'm pretty sure that after his recent experiences with you and your
> friends" he has realized the foul game you are playing.

Who's really playing foul games here? Only the prejudiced would agree with you.

> > > This is called "twisted tongue" in English, as far as I know.
> >
> > It's not.
>
> All right, I admitted that my knowledge of English is limited. What is
> "twisted tongue" (as an idiom) then?

the closest common expression is "tongue twister", a long word or sentence that is difficult to pronounce.

> To the best of my knowledge, American English, and perhaps all others, does
> not have the expression "twisted tongue". But, thanks to Native American
> tribes, we do have the expression "speaking with a forked tongue", meaning
> the split tongue of a snake. The expression means "lying".

Yes, I mistook the word: it's "forked", not "twisted tongue" - thank you for clarifying that!

> > But I'm pretty sure that after his recent experiences with you and your
> > friends" he has realized the foul game you are playing.
>
> Who's really playing foul games here? Only the prejudiced would agree with
> you.

The only person which is relevant in this regard is Robert, the admin. Let's hope he is still neutral and not "prejudiced", even after having received your numerous spam emails which had just the intention to insult.

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MS-DOS forever!

> The only person which is relevant in this regard is Robert, the admin.
> Let's hope he is still neutral and not "prejudiced", even after having
> received your numerous spam emails which had just the intention to insult.

Sorry but I haven't sent him an e-mail message for at least a couple of years

> > If your illusions make feel you better ...
>
> Correct English is "make you feel better",

Despite a tiny slip, his English is better than your German. And typically more coherent than your English.

> Herr Burgermeister! And yes,
> mine do, especially the image of a pot-bellied Burgermeister in
> Lederhosen,
> rather than a crisp, impressive GeneralOberst uniform with those
> beautiful
> gold flintlock guns on the collar.

Go Jack! A torrent of abuse for a tiny mistake - perfectly true to form.

> > Ok, continue with your wars
>
> Absolutely, Herr Burgermeister! Until the battle and the campaign are
> won!

Campaign for what? Total control of who gets to contribute to this forum? An end to any questioning of your greatness? Forget it, Jacko.

> > The only person which is relevant in this regard is Robert, the admin.
> > Let's hope he is still neutral and not "prejudiced", even after having
> > received your numerous spam emails which had just the intention to
> insult.
>
> Sorry but I haven't sent him an e-mail message for at least a couple of
> years

Exchange "your" with "Jack's". Ok then?

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MS-DOS forever!

> > Right, simple
>
> English can be simple can be complex. Right now, I'll follow the
> K.I.S.S.
> Principle, "Little Stevie", since you are back in my classroom again!
>
> > German is too complex
>
> Not hardly, "Little Stevie"! It was simplified in the 1800s, as I recall,

You recall the 1800s? Fabulous!

> and though I never had time to learn it, it and Dutch are close to English, and one who speaks English CAN make himself "understood" in German, when it is necessary. I have no trouble doing so, all the time!

Sure, it's easy - many Germans know English.

> Another of your subjects for about 15 years from now!

Leck mich am Arsch. Gut, ja?

> Leck mich am Arsch. Gut, ja?

Now, the above is a strong argument for Robert to stop the whole forum!

> > Leck mich am Arsch. Gut, ja?
>
> Now, the above is a strong argument for Robert to stop the whole forum!

How is it any worse than racism and pedophilia?

> > > Leck mich am Arsch. Gut, ja?
> >
> > Now, the above is a strong argument for Robert to stop the whole forum!
>
> How is it any worse than racism and pedophilia?

The latter are much worse, of course. But what about calumny? Do you know how the Bulgarian khan Krum had punished slanderers?

> > Now, the above is a strong argument for Robert to stop the whole forum!
>
> Finally pulling down the mask, hypo?

Masked are two of your friends, not any of us. And their mask is still on their faces.
Hypo is you. You just declared your defeat elsewhere, so go out of our eyes now!

> Masked are two of your friends, not any of us. And their mask is still on
> their faces.
> Hypo is you. You just declared your defeat elsewhere, so go out of our
> eyes now!

Your reaction shows me that I indeed spoiled you the game

Well, yes, of course, since your master invested so much time in his spam posts ...

Don't reply, it might not last that long ...

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MS-DOS forever!

You have administrator hights and delete my posts. You're very mean but you know it. Your game has ended and you just declated your defeat. Thus, we won. So I repeat, hands off this forum!

> You have administrator hights and delete my posts. You're very mean but you
> know it. Your game has ended and you just declated your defeat. Thus, we
> won. So I repeat, hands off this forum!

Maybe you haven't noticed something: You don't own this forum.

> Maybe you haven't noticed something: You don't own this forum.

Yes, your friend Grech just admitted that it's he who really owns it.

> > > > Leck mich am Arsch. Gut, ja?
> > >
> > > Now, the above is a strong argument for Robert to stop the whole
> forum!
> >
> > How is it any worse than racism and pedophilia?
>
> The latter are much worse, of course. But what about calumny? Do you know
> how the Bulgarian khan Krum had punished slanderers?

So, a 9th century savage provides your model of justice. Excellent. Now we know you.

> > > > > Leck mich am Arsch. Gut, ja?
> > > >
> > > > Now, the above is a strong argument for Robert to stop the whole forum!
> > >
> > > How is it any worse than racism and pedophilia?
> >
> > The latter are much worse, of course. But what about calumny? Do you know
> > how the Bulgarian khan Krum had punished slanderers?
>
> So, a 9th century savage provides your model of justice. Excellent. Now we know you.

No, you don't know me, but don't worry, we won't punish you like that
If you have conscience, let it do the job. If not, we'll have to think a bit...

> > > > > > Leck mich am Arsch. Gut, ja?
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, the above is a strong argument for Robert to stop the whole
> forum!
> > > >
> > > > How is it any worse than racism and pedophilia?
> > >
> > > The latter are much worse, of course. But what about calumny? Do you
> know
> > > how the Bulgarian khan Krum had punished slanderers?
> >
> > So, a 9th century savage provides your model of justice. Excellent. Now
> we know you.
>
> No, you don't know me, but don't worry, we won't punish you like that
> If you have conscience, let it do the job. If not, we'll have to think a
> bit...

I'm so scared. But wait - you don't know where I am. Who's the clown?

> > Leck mich am Arsch. Gut, ja?
>
> Now, the above is a strong argument for Robert to stop the whole forum!

Second note: Jack ordered me to learn German. I obeyed immediately.