DOS ain't dead - Long filenames + MS DOS 7.10

Ninho

17.06.2008, 13:21

Long filenames + MS DOS 7.10 (Miscellaneous)

Hi ! Been trying to run the latest Bochs through DPMILD32 - per a recent forum post which said Bochs *requires* long name support (does it ? even if the Bochs config refers only short names ?)...

Turns out I am not getting success under raw DOS (even no cinfig/autoexec) with LFNDOS v1.06 by Chris jones (yields DOS extended error 50 after listing any DIR, and the drive is no longer valid afterwards), neither does DOSLFN work for me (a DIR list yields no files found!).

Is there a hope to have LFNs working properly under DOS 7.10, or are you all using only other DOSes ? Your kind hints sollicited and will be appreciated...

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Japheth

Germany (South),
17.06.2008, 13:52

@ Ninho

Long filenames + MS DOS 7.10

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> Hi ! Been trying to run the latest Bochs through DPMILD32 - per a recent
> forum post which said Bochs *requires* long name support (does it ? even
> if the Bochs config refers only short names ?)...
>
> Turns out I am not getting success under raw DOS (even no cinfig/autoexec)
> with LFNDOS v1.06 by Chris jones (yields DOS extended error 50 after
> listing any DIR, and the drive is no longer valid afterwards), neither
> does DOSLFN work for me (a DIR list yields no files found!).
>
> Is there a hope to have LFNs working properly under DOS 7.10, or are you
> all using only other DOSes ? Your kind hints sollicited and will be
> appreciated...

I vaguely remember LFNDOS, but what I remember is that it's not really usable. DOSLFN is more mature, and it's the only DOS LFN TSR which has been tested with HX.

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Ninho

17.06.2008, 16:23

@ Japheth

Long filenames + MS DOS 7.10

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> > neither does DOSLFN work for me (a DIR list yields no files found!).

> I vaguely remember LFNDOS, but what I remember is that it's not really
> usable. DOSLFN is more mature, and it's the only DOS LFN TSR which has
> been tested with HX.

Hiya Japheth ! You're right, DOSLfn 0.40e which I took from another computer here is OK - only I had just downloaded an old version :-P

With the newer DOSLFN Bochs ran in DOS properly - however, without a frame or any access to the Bochs controls. Shouldn't it run windowed ? How do you end the emulation in these conditions ? Maybe I made a mistake, I launched Bochs thus :

> DPMILD32 -g path\BOCHS.EXE -f XXX.BXR

If the question cannot be answered in a few words I'll open a thread in the correct forum section as required...

Regards

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Japheth

Germany (South),
17.06.2008, 20:25

@ Ninho

Long filenames + MS DOS 7.10

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> How do you
> end the emulation in these conditions ? Maybe I made a mistake, I launched
> Bochs thus :
>
> > DPMILD32 -g path\BOCHS.EXE -f XXX.BXR

That's correct. To terminate an application the "system menu" must be entered. This can be achieved by pressing APPS (also sometimes called MENU) or optionally Ctrl-Break.

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MS-DOS forever!

Ninho

17.06.2008, 20:38

@ Japheth

Long filenames + MS DOS 7.10

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> That's correct. To terminate an application the "system menu" must be
> entered. This can be achieved by pressing APPS (also sometimes called
> MENU) or optionally Ctrl-Break.

AHA! Alright thanks, and more thanks for not sending me to "RTFM"... :=)

The next question comes to mind would be, of course, what if I must send a Ctrl Break to the Windows application ? Hmm, I /will/ RTFM, definitely...

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Ninho

DOS386

18.06.2008, 12:08

@ Ninho

Long filenames + MS DOG 7.10 | BOCHS

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> Hi ! Been trying to run the latest Bochs through DPMILD32 - per a recent
> forum post which said Bochs *requires* long name support (does it ?

NO. RTFM: Main.HX-DOS-lists#toc6

> Turns out I am not getting success under raw DOS

No M$ ;-)

> Is there a hope to have LFNs working properly under DOS 7.10, or are you
> all using only other DOSes ?

I'm not aware of availability of a "DOS 7.10" -> using FreeDOS and EDR-DOS ;-)

There is DOSLFN ... works somewhat, but still a very bad hack and can cause trouble - avoiding it :-|

> the newer DOSLFN Bochs ran in DOS properly - however, without a frame
> or any access to the Bochs controls. Shouldn't it run windowed ?

Again, RTFM:

http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0503736/php/drdoswiki/index.php?n=Main.HX-DOS

High-level GUI API lacks in HX :-(

> The next question comes to mind would be, of course, what if I must send a Ctrl Break to the Windows application ? Hmm, I /will/ RTFM, definitely...

Try editing HXGUIHLP.INI ...

> and more thanks for not sending me to "RTFM"

[RT]FM of BOCHS in not very DOS friendly :-(

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Berlin, Germany,
18.06.2008, 15:44

@ DOS386

Long filenames + MS DOG 7.10 | BOCHS

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> > Hi ! Been trying to run the latest Bochs through DPMILD32 - per a recent
> > forum post which said Bochs *requires* long name support (does it ?
>
> NO. RTFM:
> Main.HX-DOS-lists#toc6

This is no manual, but a list of random notes.

Two notes about your notes there:
1) "Windows" version seems NOT to use SDL
"Seems" is wrong here, because it definitely doesn't use SDL in default build. But you can always build your own SDL-based binary using MSVC or MinGW.

2) Has to be configured using console mode dialogs
This is not required. You can use your favourite ASCII editor to write a config file manually.

> I'm not aware of availability of a "DOS 7.10" -> using FreeDOS and EDR-DOS
> ;-)

But you are aware of MS-DOG 7.10?

DOS 7.10 from Windows 98 is very common. Ask Japheth, IIRC. ;-)

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Japheth

Germany (South),
18.06.2008, 16:30

@ rr

Long filenames + MS DOG 7.10 | BOCHS

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> But you are aware of MS-DOG 7.10?
>
> DOS 7.10 from Windows 98 is very common. Ask Japheth, IIRC. ;-)

I don't know. AFAIK there is no statistical data available.

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DOS386

19.06.2008, 08:25

@ rr

Long filenames + MS DOG 7.10 | BOCHS

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> This is no manual

:clap:

> but a list of random notes.

Feel free to ignore my "random" garbage :hungry:

> "Seems" is wrong here

Minor, 2 years old, I'll fix it

> This is not required.

Very minor.

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