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RayeR

CZ,
02.12.2024, 17:48

Alternative for M$ CP/M assembler M80 & L80 for DOS/Win32? (Users)

Hi, do you know some assembler for 8080 CPU that knows Microsoft CP/M assembler M80 a linker L80 syntax and runs under DOS or Win32 (or Linux)?
I'd like to recompile some old sources but e.g. Telemark Assembler 3.2 for 8080 doesn't know the syntax. Source is quite large to complete rewrite...

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DosWorld

02.12.2024, 20:52

@ RayeR

Alternative for M$ CP/M assembler M80 & L80 for DOS/Win32?

> linker L80 syntax and runs under DOS or Win32 (or Linux)?

File format for CP/M object files is (imho) too obscure, ~0.001% chance to find it. IMHO.

May be some 8080+CP/M emulator help you.

PS: This is in D-lang for modern arch:

https://github.com/ibara/a80
https://github.com/ibara/l80

L80 (clone?) sources:
https://github.com/ibara/l80/blob/main/l80.c

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RayeR

CZ,
03.12.2024, 00:04

@ DosWorld

Alternative for M$ CP/M assembler M80 & L80 for DOS/Win32?

I don't need a linker to produce CP/M executables. The compiled source should run bare betal, just produce binary and burn it to EPROM. I know that one way is to run old compiler for CP/M under emulator but I'm looking if there's possibility to run some tools native under DOS/W32... Or if there's some translator that can transform old ASM source file to some syntax suitable for newer assembler.

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Rugxulo

Usono,
03.12.2024, 05:42

@ RayeR

Alternative for M$ CP/M assembler M80 & L80 for DOS/Win32?

> I don't need a linker to produce CP/M executables. The compiled source
> should run bare betal, just produce binary and burn it to EPROM. I know
> that one way is to run old compiler for CP/M under emulator but I'm looking
> if there's possibility to run some tools native under DOS/W32... Or if
> there's some translator that can transform old ASM source file to some
> syntax suitable for newer assembler.

CP/M-ish claims to have "a classic CP/M syntax assembler and linker for cross-compiling ancient source" (among other things).

I have not tested ntvcm emulator yet in DOS (needs OpenWatcom v2 C++ to build). His MWATCOM.BAT builds it for DOS.

I'm actually curious to test Gordon Eubanks' BASIC-E (public domain).

Rugxulo Usono, 03.12.2024, 08:09 @ Rugxulo	Alternative for M$ CP/M assembler M80 & L80 for DOS/Win32? Post reply
	> I'm actually curious to test Gordon Eubanks' > BASIC-E (public domain).

DosWorld

03.12.2024, 11:09

@ Rugxulo

Alternative for M$ CP/M assembler M80 & L80 for DOS/Win32?

> Gordon Eubanks' BASIC-E (public domain).

Can you, please, share sources?

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Rugxulo

Usono,
06.12.2024, 05:43

@ DosWorld

Alternative for M$ CP/M assembler M80 & L80 for DOS/Win32?

> > Gordon Eubanks' BASIC-E
> (public domain).
>
> Can you, please, share sources?

The Wikipedia article linked to an old ASCII manual, which had binaries but no sources. In some CP/M User Group archive online, I found some sources, but they're in PL/M. (And just to get that you need DELBR.COM and UNARC.COM for the *.ark files or similar tools.)

The obvious gripe with BASIC-E is that it reads data lines only up to end of line or comma. So that's weirdly unhelpful.

There are other small BASICs, e.g. p2c's Chipmunk Basic (in C), Nils M. Holm's 12k BASIC (for 8086/DOS), or Scott Moore's BASIC (in old Pascal).

In other news on the CP/M side, it seems XPL0 works under NTVCM but DXForth does not.

RayeR

CZ,
03.12.2024, 16:54
(edited by RayeR, 03.12.2024, 17:07)

@ Rugxulo

Alternative for M$ CP/M assembler M80 & L80 for DOS/Win32?

> I have not tested ntvcm
> emulator yet in DOS (needs OpenWatcom v2 C++ to build). His MWATCOM.BAT
> builds it for DOS.

Maybe. Could you share compiled binary for DOS? (there's no releases on github). I could try compile under OWC at home later this night...

But I still would prefer some x86 crosscompiler if existed any. I belive that in old DOS days when was transition from 8-bit CP/M systems to x86 there should exist some PC tools for development targeting old 8-bit systems...

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Ruud

Heerlen - NL,
03.12.2024, 19:43

@ RayeR

Alternative for M$ CP/M assembler M80 & L80 for DOS/Win32?

> But I still would prefer some x86 crosscompiler if existed any.

If interested, I wrote my own assembler, Multi-Processor-Assembler, And just today I finished the part for the 8080. It is written in Free Pascal and the sources are free. You can get them, and a binary for Windows, by emailing me.

A small problem: I use my own syntax. But on request of some friends I adapted my assembler to accept the original Motorola syntax for the 6809 en TI's syntax for the TMS7000 series. All I need is some sources and their binaries, no HEX files.

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RayeR

CZ,
04.12.2024, 04:11

@ Ruud

Alternative for M$ CP/M assembler M80 & L80 for DOS/Win32?

You can try to compile e.g. this old source in assembler M80:
http://sapi.cz/sapi/data/m40f_asm.php

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RayeR

CZ,
04.12.2024, 06:20
(edited by RayeR, 04.12.2024, 07:00)

@ RayeR

Alternative for M$ CP/M assembler M80 & L80 for DOS/Win32?

Well, I compiled the NTVCM. It required updating my OpenWatcom toolchain. Also my mingw64/g++-8.1.0 seems to be too old to know advanced c++ features...

I found some assembler in sample directory AZTEC\AS.COM and try to compile required source, got some errors but not too much like witn another 8080 asm...

L:\NTVCM\AZTEC>..\NTVCMDOS.EXE AS.COM MON4.ASM 8080 Assembler Vers. 1.06D ERROR: Syntax error., line 2 ERROR: Multilply defined symbol CPM, line 18 ERROR: Syntax error., line 18 ERROR: Multilply defined symbol SP1, line 83 ERROR: Syntax error., line 83 ERROR: Multilply defined symbol CPM, line 90 ERROR: Syntax error., line 90 ERROR: Syntax error., line 91 ERROR: Multilply defined symbol ENDIF, line 92 ERROR: Syntax error., line 93 ERROR: Syntax error., line 94 ERROR: Multilply defined symbol ENDIF, line 95 ERROR: Multilply defined symbol CPM, line 210 ERROR: Syntax error., line 210 ERROR: Syntax error., line 211 ERROR: Multilply defined symbol ELSE, line 212 ERROR: Syntax error., line 213 ERROR: Multilply defined symbol ENDIF, line 214 ERROR: Multilply defined symbol NOT, line 336 ERROR: Syntax error., line 336 ERROR: Multilply defined symbol ELSE, line 371 ERROR: Multilply defined symbol ENDIF, line 386 ERROR: Multilply defined symbol ENDIF, line 466 ERROR: Multilply defined symbol CPM, line 502 ERROR: Syntax error., line 502 ERROR: Multilply defined symbol ELSE, line 508 ERROR: Multilply defined symbol ENDIF, line 541 ERROR: Syntax error., line 673 ERROR: Syntax error., line 739 ERROR: Syntax error., line 740 ERROR: Syntax error., line 741 ERROR: Syntax error., line 742 ERROR: Syntax error., line 743 ERROR: Syntax error., line 744 ERROR: Syntax error., line 745 ERROR: Syntax error., line 746 ERROR: Syntax error., line 747 ERROR: Syntax error., line 748 ERROR: Multilply defined symbol SP1A, line 841 ERROR: Syntax error., line 841 ERROR: Multilply defined symbol MINUS, line 842 ERROR: Multilply defined symbol EQUAL, line 845 ERROR: Multilply defined symbol QUES, line 848 ERROR: Multilply defined symbol ENDIF, line 851 ERROR: Syntax error., line 898 ERROR: Syntax error., line 899 ERROR: Multilply defined symbol ELSE, line 900 ERROR: Multilply defined symbol ENDIF, line 902 ERROR: Multilply defined symbol NOT, line 932 ERROR: Syntax error., line 932 ERROR: Multilply defined symbol ENDIF, line 935 ERROR: Multilply defined symbol SP1A, line 1147 ERROR: Syntax error., line 1147 ERROR: Multilply defined symbol IOCHK, line 1150 ERROR: Multilply defined symbol IOSET, line 1156 ERROR: Multilply defined symbol ENDIF, line 1159 ERROR: Syntax error., line 1461 ERROR: Syntax error., line 1470 ERROR: Syntax error., line 1551 ERROR: Syntax error., line 1556 ERROR: IF is undefined, line 1564 ERROR: $ is undefined, line 1564 ERROR: LOW is undefined, line 1564 ERROR: BOEND is undefined, line 1564 ERROR: BIEND is undefined, line 1564 MON4.ASM: 65 errors.

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RayeR

CZ,
04.12.2024, 20:06
(edited by RayeR, 04.12.2024, 23:10)

@ RayeR

Alternative for M$ CP/M assembler M80 & L80 for DOS/Win32?

> Well, I compiled the NTVCM. It required updating my OpenWatcom toolchain.
> Also my mingw64/g++-8.1.0 seems to be too old to know advanced c++
> features...

Hm, even with latest mingw I'm unable to compile NTVCM for windows.

gcc version 14.2.0 (i686-win32-dwarf-rev0, Built by MinGW-Builds project) C:\NTVCM>mg.bat In file included from ntvcm.cxx:44: ./djltrace.hxx: In member function 'void CDJLTrace::Trace(const char*, ...)': ./djltrace.hxx:220:41: error: '_getpid' was not declared in this scope; did you mean '_getcwd'? 220 | (unsigned) _getpid() ); _getcwd

Well, I fixed it by adding
#ifdef _WIN32
#include <process.h>
#endif

to both .cxx files. Now I have also win32 NTVCM binary. So I step further to compile the monitor source. It complains about:
Origin below loader memory, move anyway(Y or N)?n
I chose n and got some intel HEX file. So I'll see if it works...

C:\NTVCM\CPMTOOLS>..\NTVCM.EXE M80 =MON40F.MAC/N No Fatal error(s) C:\NTVCM\CPMTOOLS>..\NTVCM.EXE L80 MON40F/P:0/D:4000,MON40F/N/X/Y/E Link-80 3.44 09-Dec-81 Copyright (c) 1981 Microsoft Data 4000 4000 < 0> Program 0000 4400 <17408> 36656 Bytes Free [0000 4000 67] Origin below loader memory, move anyway(Y or N)?n C:\DATA\____SAPI\NTVCM\CPMTOOLS>dir MON4* 04.12.2024 22:47 41 984 MON40F.HEX 04.12.2024 20:58 38 021 MON40F.MAC 04.12.2024 22:47 2 560 MON40F.REL 04.12.2024 22:47 128 MON40F.SYM 4 File(s) 82 693 bytes

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Rugxulo

Usono,
05.12.2024, 04:52

@ RayeR

Alternative for M$ CP/M assembler M80 & L80 for DOS/Win32?

> > Well, I compiled the NTVCM. It required updating my OpenWatcom
> toolchain.

I did mention it needed v2. I have not tested much since I'm not directly familiar with CP/M.

> > Also my mingw64/g++-8.1.0 seems to be too old to know advanced c++
> > features...

G++ 8.x should be circa 2018, so it can't be "too old" (IMHO). I would be surprised if he is using C++17 or newer.

However, be careful of what the default dialect used is. You may have to override it manually. (For comparison, upcoming GCC 15 has C23 as default, since that was just published/finalized, or more likely their "gnu23" variant.)

> Hm, even with latest mingw I'm unable to compile NTVCM for windows.
>
> Well, I fixed it by adding
> #ifdef _WIN32
> #include <process.h>
> #endif

IIRC, MingW [sic] is not supported anymore, most people use MingW-w64. I looked at one of them (for something a while back) but balked at the 500 MB download and Win10 suggested minimum requirement. Granted, that covers a lot of ground (popular libraries and tools), but meh.

> So I step further to compile the monitor source.

I forgot about Alfred Arnold's AS cross-assembler. (In fairness, I haven't used most of these tools and don't have direct experience, so I'm little help.)

RayeR

CZ,
05.12.2024, 08:01

@ Rugxulo

Alternative for M$ CP/M assembler M80 & L80 for DOS/Win32?

> I did mention it needed v2. I have not tested much since I'm not directly
> familiar with CP/M.

I had Version 2.0 beta Nov 1 2017

> However, be careful of what the default dialect used is. You may have to
> override it manually. (For comparison, upcoming GCC 15 has C23 as default,
> since that was just published/finalized, or more likely their "gnu23"
> variant.)

My gcc version 8.1.0 (i686-win32-sjlj-rev0, Built by MinGW-W64 project 12.5.2018) knew only -std=c++17 but didn't help:

./djltrace.hxx:216:28: error: 'mutex' was not declared in this scope
lock_guard<mutex> lock( mtx );

> IIRC, MingW [sic] is not supported anymore, most people use MingW-w64. I
> looked at one of them (for something a while back) but balked at the 500 MB
> download and Win10 suggested minimum requirement. Granted, that covers a
> lot of ground (popular libraries and tools), but meh.

Maybe he used linux as primary OS and never tried to build it under windows... my tiny patch was updated on github...

> I forgot about Alfred
> Arnold's AS cross-assembler. (In fairness, I haven't used most of
> these tools and don't have direct experience, so I'm little help.)

Just a quick test - it knows 8080 CPU but seems not understand M80 syntax - throw erros. I don't see any switch for enabling M80 compatability.

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roytam

06.12.2024, 07:25

@ Rugxulo

Alternative for M$ CP/M assembler M80 & L80 for DOS/Win32?

> > I don't need a linker to produce CP/M executables. The compiled source
> > should run bare betal, just produce binary and burn it to EPROM. I know
> > that one way is to run old compiler for CP/M under emulator but I'm
> looking
> > if there's possibility to run some tools native under DOS/W32... Or if
> > there's some translator that can transform old ASM source file to some
> > syntax suitable for newer assembler.
>
> CP/M-ish claims to have "a
> classic CP/M syntax assembler and linker for cross-compiling ancient
> source" (among other things).
>
> I have not tested ntvcm
> emulator yet in DOS (needs OpenWatcom v2 C++ to build). His MWATCOM.BAT
> builds it for DOS.
>
> I'm actually curious to test Gordon Eubanks'
> BASIC-E (public domain).

and there is CP/M Player
http://takeda-toshiya.my.coocan.jp/cpm/

RayeR

CZ,
07.12.2024, 08:54

@ roytam

Alternative for M$ CP/M assembler M80 & L80 for DOS/Win32?

> and there is CP/M Player
> http://takeda-toshiya.my.coocan.jp/cpm/

Yeah, it works fine too. The w32 binary is a bit smaller, just 23kB over 1,7MB of NTVCM (both UPXed :) but having DOS version of NTVCM is nice (100kB)

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RayeR

CZ,
09.12.2024, 01:30

@ Rugxulo

Alternative for CP/M assembler M80&L80 for DOS/Win32-solved

> CP/M-ish claims to have "a
> classic CP/M syntax assembler and linker for cross-compiling ancient
> source" (among other things).

Yes, you're right. I analyzed tools that CPMish use and found this ZMAC:
http://48k.ca/zmac.html
It has switch for 8080.

But there's one small issue. For some reason it doesn't like a label named "PO" - maybe some keyword?
ZMAC.EXE -8 MON40F.MAC MON40F.MAC(223) : Syntax error JMP PO ; PUNCH OUTPUT <C> MON40F.MAC(96) : Phase error - $0002 changed from $00 to $04 JMP COLD ; COLD START
After I renamed the label to "POUT" both errors disappeared and I got compiled binary. I compared it to original M80 output and it the same. So I think I can use this...

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DosWorld

10.12.2024, 18:42

@ RayeR

Alternative for CP/M assembler M80&L80 for DOS/Win32-solved

> For some reason it doesn't like a label named
> "PO" - maybe some keyword?

Did you try “PE” ?

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RayeR

CZ,
13.12.2024, 01:52

@ DosWorld

Alternative for CP/M assembler M80&L80 for DOS/Win32-solved

No, I sent report to author, no reply.

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