DOS ain't dead - In reply to : Bret 'll have to hate FreeDOS mKEYB, too

In reply to : Bret 'll have to hate FreeDOS mKEYB, too (Developers)

posted by Ninho , 16.05.2011, 15:10

> MKEYB FR and indeed it was hooking int 15 and int 2F. Had I known of
>> it before, I might not have embarked onto this boat

> I had wondered why you started it ;)

>> - mKEYB FR uses up 200 bytes more than my KBFR tho :=)
> not bad, considering the fact that mKEYB is 98% C, and handles 20 keyboard
> layouts ;)

Sure, I wanted to underline that mkeyb's code must be, i presume, table driven(?) and in any case prepared to handle many languages, while our driver can have optimised instruction flow for the unique keyboard layout.

>> Quick viewing of in-memory mKEYB code further seems to confirm it doesn't
>> chain int 15/4F.

> that's wrong.
> mKEYB chains most of the time, and only handles the (few) scancodes that it
> wants to modify. most work is done by the BIOS (in particular *both* DEL
> keys !)

Sure we want as much of the work as possible to be done by the BIOS, for which we IRET. This is not chaining :
I quick viewed mKEYB in memory (using the disassembler included in McAffe's proview), it didn't appear to /chain/ 154F (as in passing scancodes by calling or jmping to the previously installed int 15 hook). Either I mis-looked or there is a misunderstanding over the notion of chain. Please clarify.

Incidentally I also noticed you use int 16h for stuffing the buffer - I have reservations over such use (we do direct buffer handling); not because of reentrancy nor efficiency problems, but because calling int 16h at that point you don't know /who/ is going to mess with the buffer for good or bad. Either do it ourselves, or we could call the BIOS int 16 at its default entry point (per ISA quasi standard).

>> This being so, Bret's wrath should in good logic be directed at Tom
> Ehlert
>> (mKeyb) - we can only assume he was not aware of its existence either...

> IMHO Bret is plain wrong with
> 'INT 15.4F handler is not allowed to actually "process" any keystrokes
> or make any system changes at all (put ASCII codes in the keyboard
> buffer,
> make changes to the BIOS Data Area, etc.).'

I tried to put it less abruptly :=)

>>> Yes, Smartdrv is a little problem. I agree that a note in the
>> documentation
>>> is the best "fix".
> the fix is to chain the DEL scancode to the BIOS; no user will ever read
> documentation ;)

You have a point...

---
Ninho

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Complete thread:

int 15/4f French keyboard driver ready + *Ping Japheth* - Ninho, 27.04.2011, 13:34 (Developers)
- int 15/4f French keyboard driver ready + *Ping Japheth* - Japheth, 27.04.2011, 16:02
  - int 15/4f French keyboard driver ready + *Ping Japheth* - Ninho, 27.04.2011, 17:13
    - int 15/4f French keyboard driver ready + *Ping Japheth* - Japheth, 28.04.2011, 07:47
- int 15/4f French keyboard driver ready + Now what? * - Ninho, 10.05.2011, 13:30
  - int 15/4f French keyboard driver ready + Now what? * - Rugxulo, 10.05.2011, 23:52
    - int 15/4f French keyboard driver ready + Now what? * - Ninho, 11.05.2011, 13:38
      - int 15/4f French keyboard driver ready + Now what? * - ecm, 11.05.2011, 19:39
        int 15/4f French keyboard driver ready + Now what? * - Ninho, 12.05.2011, 10:56
        int 15/4f French keyboard driver ready + Now what? * - bretjohn, 12.05.2011, 17:13
        int 15/4f French keyboard driver ready + Now what? * - Ninho, 12.05.2011, 22:27
        AMIS, Optimize memory usage - ecm, 13.05.2011, 00:24
        AMIS, Optimize memory usage - Ninho, 13.05.2011, 01:33
        AMIS, Optimize memory usage - ecm, 13.05.2011, 01:45
        AMIS, Optimize memory usage - Ninho, 13.05.2011, 02:07
        AMIS, Optimize memory usage - ecm, 13.05.2011, 02:39
        AMIS, Optimize memory usage - Ninho, 13.05.2011, 02:58
        Correction, memory usage - Ninho, 13.05.2011, 02:50
        Memory usage, AMIS(!) - ecm, 13.05.2011, 03:00
        Memory usage, AMIS(!) - Ninho, 13.05.2011, 11:57
        Memory usage, AMIS(!) - ecm, 13.05.2011, 14:51
        Memory usage, AMIS(!) - bretjohn, 13.05.2011, 17:43
        Memory usage, AMIS(!) - Ninho, 13.05.2011, 18:15
        Memory usage, AMIS(!) - Japheth, 13.05.2011, 18:58
        Memory usage, AMIS(!) - bretjohn, 14.05.2011, 01:42
        Memory usage, AMIS(!) - Ninho, 14.05.2011, 11:38
        Sorry error :) - No contents - Ignore - Ninho, 14.05.2011, 11:41
        Memory usage, AMIS(!) - bretjohn, 15.05.2011, 17:26
        Int15 handler example: IISP; chain other functions directly - ecm, 15.05.2011, 18:30
        Int15 handler example: IISP; chain other functions directly - Ninho, 16.05.2011, 03:49
        Memory usage, AMIS(!) - Ninho, 15.05.2011, 20:57
        In reply to Bret - int 15/4F stuff - Ninho, 16.05.2011, 03:35
        In reply to Bret - int 15/4F stuff - Japheth, 16.05.2011, 10:18
        In reply to : Bret 'll have to hate FreeDOS mKEYB, too - Ninho, 16.05.2011, 12:19
        In reply to : Bret 'll have to hate FreeDOS mKEYB, too - tom, 16.05.2011, 13:35
        In reply to : Bret 'll have to hate FreeDOS mKEYB, too - Ninho, 16.05.2011, 15:10
        In reply to : Bret 'll have to hate FreeDOS mKEYB, too - tom, 16.05.2011, 17:13
        In reply to : Bret 'll have to hate FreeDOS mKEYB, too - bretjohn, 16.05.2011, 19:50
        In reply to : Bret 'll have to hate FreeDOS mKEYB, too - tom, 16.05.2011, 21:06
        In reply to : Bret 'll have to hate FreeDOS mKEYB, too - bretjohn, 17.05.2011, 18:10
        In reply to : Bret 'll have to hate FreeDOS mKEYB, too - tom, 17.05.2011, 19:47
        In reply to : Bret 'll have to hate FreeDOS mKEYB, too - bretjohn, 18.05.2011, 02:09
        In reply to : Bret 'll have to hate FreeDOS mKEYB, too - Japheth, 18.05.2011, 06:47
        In reply to : Bret 'll have to hate FreeDOS mKEYB, too - bretjohn, 18.05.2011, 19:08
        In reply to : Bret 'll have to hate FreeDOS mKEYB, too - tom, 18.05.2011, 12:35
        In reply to : Bret 'll have to hate FreeDOS mKEYB, too - bretjohn, 18.05.2011, 18:14
        In reply to : Bret 'll have to hate FreeDOS mKEYB, too - tom, 19.05.2011, 15:32
        In reply to : Bret 'll have to hate FreeDOS mKEYB, too - Rugxulo, 19.05.2011, 22:42
        Keyboard, codepages... - Ninho, 19.05.2011, 23:41
        FreeDOS DISPLAY (TSR vs. device driver?) - ecm, 20.05.2011, 14:09
        In reply to : Bret 'll have to hate FreeDOS mKEYB, too - Ninho, 19.05.2011, 23:59
        In reply to : Bret 'll have to hate FreeDOS mKEYB, too - tom, 20.05.2011, 00:49
        In reply to Bret... - Ninho, 18.05.2011, 15:41
        DOS IO kernel part hooking Int15.4F ? - ecm, 18.05.2011, 20:35
        DOS IO kernel part hooking Int15.4F ? - Ninho, 18.05.2011, 22:41
        DOS kernel, Int15.4F - ecm, 18.05.2011, 22:48
        In reply to Bret... - tom, 19.05.2011, 15:15
        In reply to \\\ Tom... - Ninho, 19.05.2011, 19:27
        AMIS, Optimize memory usage - Japheth, 13.05.2011, 07:28
        AMIS, Optimize memory usage - Ninho, 13.05.2011, 11:27
        AMIS, No flaming - ecm, 13.05.2011, 00:24
        AMIS - ecm, 13.05.2011, 00:24
        AMIS - Ninho, 13.05.2011, 02:21
        AMIS, Ciriaco - ecm, 13.05.2011, 03:23
        AMIS, Ciriaco, Ralph ? - Ninho, 13.05.2011, 12:16
      - int 15/4f French keyboard driver ready + Now what? * - Rugxulo, 11.05.2011, 20:12
        int 15/4f French keyboard driver ready + Now what? * - Ninho, 12.05.2011, 10:36