DOS ain't dead - Considering MS-DOS

Considering MS-DOS (Users)

posted by marcov, 06.08.2011, 13:04

> As marcov hints, I'm fairly (?) certain that even MinGW Bash / MSYS needs
> Cygwin (!) due to heavy POSIX reliance. Face it, GNU is all about
> Linu^H^H^H^H POSIX. ;-)

Afaik not. Some rarer tools might only be in cygwin versions (parser generators etc) though. Basically MSys is the mingw POSIX api emulation.

What I said was that MSys is getting cygwin like aspects, and more and more tools are moved from mingw to msys only. (like said coreutils).

> Cygwin's DLL is unwieldy (large) and pretty much only "free" for open
> source stuff and sometimes slow.

I don't care for footprint issues. It simply is not well integrated with Windows. Pathwise etc.

> So people prefer MSVCRT (sadly), which is
> buggy (and non-free for redistribution). But yeah, everything since Win95
> (w/ IE?) had (some version of) MSVCRT. Still, I prefer the OpenWatcom way,
> don't need either .DLLs at all!

_some_ version being the operative word :-)

> > Also mingw gcc runs faster. But it has some
> > tricky things like I crashed my mouth when printing 64bit ints by %lld
> and
> > msvcrt needed %I64...

Fast in one sentence with "gcc"? Brave :-)

> Also it's a "known .DLL", part of the OS these days, so you can't
> "overload" it with a similar (better?) version. In fact, I'm not sure how
> many versions of it exist, but there are many! It's a mess. I'd strongly
> suggest avoiding it, but I guess that's not realistic since everybody uses
> it (e.g. MinGW, TCC, FreeBASIC, etc). Luckily some wise people (FreePascal)
> also avoid it! ;-)

Not everwhere. The textmode IDE has long needed cygwin. (though we are working on getting rid of that), due to its GDB inclusion.

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