HimemSX Issues (Announce)
Jack has asked me to convey the following message:
> HimemSX as written has some SERIOUS "issues". Its "block move"
> call cannot be used in "V86" mode, or the PC will CRASH! Aside
> from DOS Extenders or packages like DJGPP, "regular" DOS systems
> still use either real-mode or "V86" protected-mode set by JEMMEX
> or JEMM386. Many users may be VERY upset at losing "V86" mode!
> HimemSX's "block move" function also uses 8K-byte "move windows"
> during which it goes in-and-out of the mode which handles "high"
> XMS memory. This is also done in a normal XMS driver for real-
> mode moves, that require a switch to protected-mode (or "unreal"
> mode) to move XMS data. But, 8K-byte blocks are NOT needed for
> "V86" moves, since JEMM386/JEMMEX "know how" to leave interrupts
> ENABLED across the entire move!
> And what about "special" drivers, e.g. XHDD? Since 2007, UIDE/
> XHDD have called the XMS manager only to "get" memory or enable/
> disable the "A20" line. All actual XMS moves are done by logic
> in the caching drivers, as any XMS manager must do lots of ERROR
> checks on every XMS request. Such checks DESTROY speed and are
> never necessary, after a driver has been DEBUGGED!
> What is needed is to update the "Int 15h, AH-87h" request within
> JEMM386/JEMMEX to support "high XMS" memory. If done properly,
> DOS systems will NOT lose "V86" mode, and "special" drivers like
> XMGR or XHDD should need only minor changes (adding a "high XMS"
> page number, etc.). This minimizes the changes needed in other
> drivers (XDVD2, RDISK, etc.) and programs which do "call the XMS
> manager" for XMS moves, thus reducing their own logic.
> I would accept updated JEMM386/JEMMEX drivers with such changes.
> And I would accept updating XMGR/XHDD to work with such drivers,
> also updating XDVD2/RDISK to call an updated XMGR, HimemSX, etc.
> which issue updated "Int 15h, AH-87h" requests, then let JEMM386
> or JEMMEX handle the actual protected-mode move, as they do now.
> But unless it is only a "proof of concept", HimemSX is the WRONG
> place to do "high XMS" moves! XMGR and XHDD will NEVER give up
> 13 years of FAR more general-purpose logic, "V86" protected-mode
> and MUCH faster speed, only to use HimemSX as it is now written!
> One can expect MANY other DOS developers might feel the same!
> Jack R. Ellis
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Complete thread:
- HimemSX, another HimemX variant - Japheth, 21.10.2020, 13:54 (Announce)
- HimemSX, another HimemX variant - tkchia, 21.10.2020, 17:51
- HimemSX, another HimemX variant - RayeR, 22.10.2020, 00:48
- V86 compatibility? Yes, Jemm386 v5.8 - Japheth, 26.10.2020, 19:32
- V86 compatibility? Yes, Jemm386 v5.8 - RayeR, 27.10.2020, 06:54
- V86 compatibility? Yes, Jemm386 v5.8 - Japheth, 27.10.2020, 07:49
- V86 compatibility? Yes, Jemm386 v5.8 - RayeR, 27.10.2020, 13:11
- V86 compatibility? Yes, Jemm386 v5.8 - RayeR, 28.10.2020, 05:47
- V86 compatibility? Yes, Jemm386 v5.8 - Japheth, 28.10.2020, 07:06
- V86 compatibility? Yes, Jemm386 v5.8 - RayeR, 28.10.2020, 23:26
- V86 compatibility? Yes, Jemm386 v5.8 - Japheth, 29.10.2020, 03:16
- V86 compatibility? Yes, Jemm386 v5.8 - RayeR, 29.10.2020, 03:31
- V86 compatibility? Yes, Jemm386 v5.8 - Japheth, 31.10.2020, 02:20
- V86 compatibility? Yes, Jemm386 v5.8 - RayeR, 02.11.2020, 00:31
- cwsdpmi version? Possible fix for Borland tools. - Japheth, 02.11.2020, 07:12
- cwsdpmi version? Possible fix for Borland tools. - Laaca, 02.11.2020, 19:21
- cwsdpmi version? Possible fix for Borland tools. - RayeR, 03.11.2020, 08:00
- cwsdpmi version? Possible fix for Borland tools. - Japheth, 03.11.2020, 15:11
- cwsdpmi version? Possible fix for Borland tools. - RayeR, 04.11.2020, 05:43
- Possible fix for cwsdpmi trouble - Japheth, 05.11.2020, 07:53
- Possible fix for cwsdpmi trouble - RayeR, 06.11.2020, 13:49
- Possible fix for cwsdpmi trouble - Japheth, 06.11.2020, 14:39
- Possible fix for cwsdpmi trouble - Laaca, 06.11.2020, 19:50
- Possible fix for cwsdpmi trouble - Japheth, 07.11.2020, 01:37
- Possible fix for cwsdpmi trouble - RayeR, 06.11.2020, 20:31
- Possible fix for cwsdpmi trouble - RayeR, 07.11.2020, 06:17
- Possible fix for cwsdpmi trouble - Japheth, 08.11.2020, 11:51
- Possible fix for cwsdpmi trouble - RayeR, 08.11.2020, 17:39
- CWSDPMI r7 NOVCPI test - RayeR, 10.11.2020, 03:16
- CWSDPMI r7 NOVCPI test - Japheth, 10.11.2020, 06:17
- CWSDPMI r7 NOVCPI test - rr, 10.11.2020, 11:47
- CWSDPMI r7 NOVCPI test - Japheth, 10.11.2020, 18:49
- CWSDPMI r7 NOVCPI test - Rugxulo, 10.11.2020, 21:16
- CWSDPMI r7 NOVCPI test - RayeR, 11.11.2020, 02:28
- CWSDPMI r7 NOVCPI test - Japheth, 11.11.2020, 07:56
- CWSDPMI r7 NOVCPI test - RayeR, 14.11.2020, 02:04
- CWSDPMI r7 NOVCPI test - awik, 18.11.2020, 17:59
- CWSDPMI r7 NOVCPI test - roytam, 17.05.2024, 19:00
- CWSDPMI r7 NOVCPI test - Japheth, 11.11.2020, 07:56
- CWSDPMI r7 NOVCPI test - Japheth, 10.11.2020, 06:17
- CWSDPMI r7 NOVCPI test - RayeR, 10.11.2020, 03:16
- Possible fix for cwsdpmi trouble - RayeR, 08.11.2020, 17:39
- Possible fix for cwsdpmi trouble - Laaca, 06.11.2020, 19:50
- Possible fix for cwsdpmi trouble - Japheth, 06.11.2020, 14:39
- Possible fix for cwsdpmi trouble - RayeR, 06.11.2020, 13:49
- cwsdpmi version? Possible fix for Borland tools. - Japheth, 03.11.2020, 15:11
- cwsdpmi version? Possible fix for Borland tools. - Japheth, 02.11.2020, 07:12
- V86 compatibility? Yes, Jemm386 v5.8 - RayeR, 02.11.2020, 00:31
- V86 compatibility? Yes, Jemm386 v5.8 - Japheth, 31.10.2020, 02:20
- V86 compatibility? Yes, Jemm386 v5.8 - RayeR, 29.10.2020, 03:31
- V86 compatibility? Yes, Jemm386 v5.8 - Japheth, 29.10.2020, 03:16
- V86 compatibility? Yes, Jemm386 v5.8 - RayeR, 28.10.2020, 23:26
- V86 compatibility? Yes, Jemm386 v5.8 - Japheth, 28.10.2020, 07:06
- V86 compatibility? Yes, Jemm386 v5.8 - RayeR, 28.10.2020, 05:47
- V86 compatibility? Yes, Jemm386 v5.8 - RayeR, 27.10.2020, 13:11
- V86 compatibility? Yes, Jemm386 v5.8 - Japheth, 27.10.2020, 07:49
- V86 compatibility? Yes, Jemm386 v5.8 - Zyzzle, 27.10.2020, 15:14
- V86 compatibility? Yes, Jemm386 v5.8 - RayeR, 27.10.2020, 06:54
- V86 compatibility? Yes, Jemm386 v5.8 - Japheth, 26.10.2020, 19:32
- HimemSX, another HimemX variant - RayeR, 22.10.2020, 00:48
- HimemSX, another HimemX variant - Zyzzle, 22.10.2020, 03:38
- HimemSX, another HimemX variant - Japheth, 22.10.2020, 06:39
- HimemSX, another HimemX variant - Zyzzle, 23.10.2020, 04:54
- HimemSX, another HimemX variant - Japheth, 23.10.2020, 06:47
- HimemSX, another HimemX variant - Zyzzle, 23.10.2020, 14:00
- HimemSX, another HimemX variant - Japheth, 23.10.2020, 17:32
- HimemSX, another HimemX variant - Laaca, 23.10.2020, 19:14
- HimemSX, another HimemX variant - RayeR, 23.10.2020, 23:06
- HimemSX, another HimemX variant - Zyzzle, 24.10.2020, 01:52
- HimemSX, another HimemX variant - Japheth, 24.10.2020, 05:45
- HimemSX, another HimemX variant - Zyzzle, 24.10.2020, 10:50
- HimemSX, another HimemX variant - RayeR, 24.10.2020, 23:10
- HimemSX, another HimemX variant - Japheth, 03.11.2020, 04:53
- HimemSX, another HimemX variant - RayeR, 03.11.2020, 06:50
- HimemSX, another HimemX variant - CandyMan, 05.11.2020, 19:14
- HimemSX, another HimemX variant - Japheth, 06.11.2020, 08:33
- HimemSX, another HimemX variant - RayeR, 06.11.2020, 13:37
- HimemSX, another HimemX variant - Japheth, 03.11.2020, 04:53
- HimemSX, another HimemX variant - RayeR, 24.10.2020, 23:10
- HimemSX, another HimemX variant - Zyzzle, 24.10.2020, 10:50
- HimemSX, another HimemX variant - Japheth, 24.10.2020, 05:45
- HimemSX, another HimemX variant - Laaca, 23.10.2020, 19:14
- HimemSX, another HimemX variant - Japheth, 23.10.2020, 17:32
- HimemSX, another HimemX variant - Zyzzle, 23.10.2020, 14:00
- HimemSX, another HimemX variant - Japheth, 23.10.2020, 06:47
- HimemSX, another HimemX variant - Zyzzle, 23.10.2020, 04:54
- HimemSX, another HimemX variant - Rugxulo, 22.10.2020, 20:31
- HimemSX, another HimemX variant - Zyzzle, 23.10.2020, 04:37
- HimemSX, another HimemX variant - RayeR, 23.10.2020, 23:13
- HimemSX, another HimemX variant - marcov, 24.10.2020, 01:07
- HimemSX, another HimemX variant - Zyzzle, 23.10.2020, 04:37
- HimemSX, another HimemX variant - Japheth, 22.10.2020, 06:39
- HimemSX Issues - Khusraw, 22.10.2020, 21:52
- HimemSX Issues - Japheth, 23.10.2020, 05:04
- HimemSX, another HimemX variant - tkchia, 21.10.2020, 17:51