DOS ain't dead - --- DEATH ---

--- DEATH --- (Developers)

posted by DOS386, 21.12.2007, 22:46
(edited by DOS386 on 21.12.2007, 22:58)

> It's a hack; it adds yet another layer of crap onto a poor designed specification.

There are much worse "layers of crap" :-P

> It breaks compatibility. It does. There is nothing worth arguing here.

NTSC also broke it. Intentionally. It did. Nothing worth arguing here.

> additional data the FAT32 spec does not mention. this means
> some disk scanners will cause data loss.

NOT true. They can "legally" truncate the > 4 GiB files at most. Anyway, old "disk scanners" will cause data loss to LFN's, FAT32 or NTSC or any other non-FAT partitions as well. So, prohibit anything beyond FAT16 :clap:

> private specification

Lie. It's open. Unlike NTSC for example.

> so most OSes out there will not be able

Most OS'es can't access Loonix filesytems either ... one more shot into the wrong direction :lol3:

> Existing DOS programs use counters, and many function calls with 32-bit pointers

True but nonsense argument. Most existing Win32 programs used 32-bit counters (or even worse signed) at the time M$ started to push NTSC as well.

> These will break.

Nothing will break. They will keep the limit of 2 GiB or 4 GiB they used to have before.

> other file systems out there that are good, have LFN, and don't have these problems!

More details please :hungry:

> Implemented one of these!

Bug ? Past ? Or imperative ? :lol3:

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GetFileSizeEx / Read&Write performance / Wiping - DOS386, 21.12.2007, 03:40 (Developers)
- GetFileSizeEx / Read&Write performance / Wiping - Steve, 21.12.2007, 05:38
- The Death Of FAT32+ - Japheth, 21.12.2007, 07:24
  - --- DEATH --- - DOS386, 21.12.2007, 22:13
    - --- DEATH --- - sol, 21.12.2007, 22:30
      - --- DEATH --- - DOS386, 21.12.2007, 22:46
        --- DEATH --- - Steve, 21.12.2007, 23:22
    - Rest in Peace, Fat32+! No Resurrection possible! - Japheth, 21.12.2007, 23:12
      - -- DEATH -- (anyone has a solution for >4GiB files in DOS ?) - DOS386, 21.12.2007, 23:46
        First get all facts! - Japheth, 22.12.2007, 00:15
        --- DEATH --- - DOS386, 22.12.2007, 00:24
        --- DEATH --- - sol, 22.12.2007, 05:17
        --- DEATH --- - Japheth, 22.12.2007, 09:45
        --- DEATH --- - Steve, 22.12.2007, 10:08
        DOS API extension for files > 4 GB - Japheth, 22.12.2007, 10:28
        --- DEATH --- - sol, 23.12.2007, 23:29
        --- DEATH --- - Matjaz, 24.12.2007, 10:03
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        DOS File System efforts - Rugxulo, 24.12.2007, 19:53
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        --- DEATH --- - Japheth, 22.12.2007, 08:57
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    - 1 a later, DOS fs enh committee, please report what you got - Steve, 02.01.2009, 07:01
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