DOS ain't dead - GetFileSizeEx / Read&Write performance / Wiping

GetFileSizeEx / Read&Write performance / Wiping (Developers)

posted by Rugxulo , Usono, 16.01.2009, 01:49

> > Not true. FAT12 and FAT12 either were never patented or already expired.
> > FAT32 isn't patented either, only the LFN hack (ironically). And in
> case
> > you haven't noticed, they have transitioned completely to NTFS with
> Vista
> > (which cannot boot from FAT as XP could).
>
> Actually, the patent covers SFN + LFN co-existing, and covers FAT12 the
> same as it covers the other FAT systems.

Not sure why MS is holding so tightly to such a patent. It's not like LFNs on FAT are a threat to their business. And Linux etc. have had VFAT support for a long time without issues.

> Regardless of what is used to boot Vista, virtually all devices that can
> be accessed directly in windows are Fatxx; USB flash, SD cards, MP3
> players, etc.

FAT is ubiquitous and well-understood, unlike NTFS. And MS does charge like $0.25 or so per storage device that comes with LFN-enabled FAT.

> FAT is still widely used, and ExFat will likely be used for these devices
> in the future. It makes sense to continue with it in DOS; support will be
> added in Linux/BSD, no doubt.

Linux seems less interested in exFAT than BTRFS and ext4 these days. (And still lots of people whining for ZFS.)

It actually makes no sense to continue with it in DOS, especially if it's patented. But we have no FS developers anyways, so it's moot.

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Complete thread:

GetFileSizeEx / Read&Write performance / Wiping - DOS386, 21.12.2007, 03:40 (Developers)
- GetFileSizeEx / Read&Write performance / Wiping - Steve, 21.12.2007, 05:38
- The Death Of FAT32+ - Japheth, 21.12.2007, 07:24
  - --- DEATH --- - DOS386, 21.12.2007, 22:13
    - --- DEATH --- - sol, 21.12.2007, 22:30
      - --- DEATH --- - DOS386, 21.12.2007, 22:46
        --- DEATH --- - Steve, 21.12.2007, 23:22
    - Rest in Peace, Fat32+! No Resurrection possible! - Japheth, 21.12.2007, 23:12
      - -- DEATH -- (anyone has a solution for >4GiB files in DOS ?) - DOS386, 21.12.2007, 23:46
        First get all facts! - Japheth, 22.12.2007, 00:15
        --- DEATH --- - DOS386, 22.12.2007, 00:24
        --- DEATH --- - sol, 22.12.2007, 05:17
        --- DEATH --- - Japheth, 22.12.2007, 09:45
        --- DEATH --- - Steve, 22.12.2007, 10:08
        DOS API extension for files > 4 GB - Japheth, 22.12.2007, 10:28
        --- DEATH --- - sol, 23.12.2007, 23:29
        --- DEATH --- - Matjaz, 24.12.2007, 10:03
        DOS File System efforts - Japheth, 24.12.2007, 17:06
        DOS File System efforts - Rugxulo, 24.12.2007, 19:53
        DOS File System efforts - sol, 25.12.2007, 02:17
        DOS File System efforts - Japheth, 25.12.2007, 09:10
        DOS File System efforts - Rugxulo, 26.12.2007, 21:34
        HPFS for DOS - Rugxulo, 09.09.2008, 22:48
        --- DEATH --- - Japheth, 22.12.2007, 08:57
  - 1 a later, DOS fs enh committee, please report what you got - DOS386, 29.12.2008, 02:41
    - Just noise? - Japheth, 29.12.2008, 08:07
      - NOISE-FS outperforms them all !!! - DOS386, 30.12.2008, 23:06
        NOISE-FS outperforms them all !!! - Japheth, 31.12.2008, 11:46
        NOISE-FS outperforms them all !!! - sol, 02.01.2009, 01:59
        NOISE-FS outperforms them all !!! - Rugxulo, 02.01.2009, 04:25
    - better DOS file system? - Rugxulo, 29.12.2008, 23:16
      - better DOS file system? - ecm, 30.12.2008, 21:48
    - 1 a later, DOS fs enh committee, please report what you got - Steve, 02.01.2009, 07:01
- GetFileSizeEx / Read&Write performance / Wiping - Laaca, 11.01.2009, 14:14
  - exFAT - ecm, 11.01.2009, 17:30
  - GetFileSizeEx / Read&Write performance / Wiping - Rugxulo, 12.01.2009, 19:25
    - GetFileSizeEx / Read&Write performance / Wiping - sol, 15.01.2009, 05:26
      - GetFileSizeEx / Read&Write performance / Wiping - Rugxulo, 15.01.2009, 06:13
        GetFileSizeEx / Read&Write performance / Wiping - sol, 15.01.2009, 06:24
        GetFileSizeEx / Read&Write performance / Wiping - Rugxulo, 16.01.2009, 01:49
        GetFileSizeEx / Read&Write performance / Wiping - sol, 16.01.2009, 07:03
        GetFileSizeEx / Read&Write performance / Wiping - Rugxulo, 18.01.2009, 00:14
        4desasters 4u, DOSsers - DOS386, 24.01.2009, 09:42
        FAT+/FAT/patents - ecm, 24.01.2009, 13:59
        4desasters 4u, DOSsers - Japheth, 24.01.2009, 21:01
        GetFileSizeEx / Read&Write performance / Wiping - Laaca, 14.02.2009, 13:59
        exFAT supported in XP (SP2, SP3) - Rugxulo, 19.02.2009, 02:41
        exFAT supported in XP (SP2, SP3) - Japheth, 20.02.2009, 09:07
        exFAT supported in XP (SP2, SP3) - Laaca, 20.02.2009, 20:16
        exFAT supported in XP (SP2, SP3) - Zyzzle, 21.02.2009, 01:56
        exFAT supported in XP (SP2, SP3) - sol, 21.02.2009, 05:32
        exFAT supported in XP (SP2, SP3) - Rugxulo, 21.02.2009, 05:40
        exFAT supported in XP (SP2, SP3) - Laaca, 21.02.2009, 15:57
        exFAT in FreeDOS unlikely (but FD fixed 4 GB files) - Rugxulo, 15.03.2009, 15:55
        exFAT in FreeDOS unlikely (but FD fixed 4 GB files) - ecm, 15.03.2009, 20:36
        exFAT in FreeDOS unlikely (but FD fixed 4 GB files) - Rugxulo, 17.03.2009, 00:28
        exFAT specification - tom, 17.03.2009, 19:31
        exFAT specification - Laaca, 21.03.2010, 15:42
        former-FAT - DOS386, 22.03.2010, 08:15