DOS ain't dead - BIG "C" compiler cmp | the "scientific" facts ore out DW

BIG "C" compiler cmp | the "scientific" facts ore out DW (Developers)

posted by Rugxulo , Usono, 11.04.2008, 06:27

> Sounds to me that RMS (probably the one mostly working on gcc at that
> time) had no time or interest, or easier platforms to port too (a free
> extender didn't exist then either).
>
> The way you present it sounds like a conspiracy theory. I don't read that
> in DJD's words however. They just didn't plan it AT THAT POINT.

I'm not trying to skew the words, but it sure sounds like they never intended or wanted to port to DOS at all. I don't think they ever pretended to want to do so. They considered DOS inferior and wanted to write their own OS (HURD?). They basically said something like, "While *nix is imperfect, it's as good as we've found so far." It was what RMS was familiar with.

DJGPP is a huge achievement, and we're lucky someone had the guts and skill to do it. For sure, it was a huge amount of work. I'm not denying that. It just wasn't ever planned or desired by the FSF (AFAICT). Especially since DOS (at the time) was a proprietary OS with no "free" compatible alternative. I do know that CDs ("back in the day") with DJGPP on them sold quite well, raising lots of money for the FSF to continue their goal. And the FSF did (last I checked) have a link to FreeDOS on their site (well, it is GPL, how could they not like it?).

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BIG "C" compiler comparison thread - DOS386, 04.03.2008, 02:07 (Developers)
- BIG "C" compiler comparison thread - Steve, 04.03.2008, 05:08
  - BIG "C" compiler comparison thread - DOS386, 09.03.2008, 02:11
    - BIG "C" compiler comparison thread - Steve, 09.03.2008, 09:40
- BIG "C" compiler comparison thread - Japheth, 04.03.2008, 09:38
- BIG "C" compiler comparison thread - rr, 04.03.2008, 10:02
  - BIG "C" compiler comparison thread - Rugxulo, 04.03.2008, 14:53
    - BIG "C" compiler comparison thread - Japheth, 04.03.2008, 18:32
      - BIG "C" compiler comparison thread - Rugxulo, 04.03.2008, 18:57
        No cheats please! - Japheth, 05.03.2008, 11:02
        No cheats please! - Rugxulo, 05.03.2008, 14:07
  - BIG "C" compiler comparison thread - Steve, 04.03.2008, 20:41
    - BIG "C" compiler comparison thread - Rugxulo, 05.03.2008, 01:11
      - BIG "C" compiler comparison thread - Steve, 05.03.2008, 02:05
        BIG "C" compiler comparison thread - rr, 05.03.2008, 09:57
      - BIG "C" compiler comparison thread - rr, 05.03.2008, 10:01
  - BIG "C" compiler comparison thread | evil TCC - DOS386, 09.03.2008, 02:17
    - BIG "C" compiler comparison thread | evil TCC - Japheth, 09.03.2008, 08:41
    - BIG "C" compiler comparison thread | evil TCC - rr, 09.03.2008, 22:20
    - BIG "C" compiler comparison thread | evil TCC - Rugxulo, 10.03.2008, 03:29
  - BIG "C" compiler comparison thread - marcov, 07.04.2008, 14:30
    - BIG "C" compiler comparison thread - Rugxulo, 07.04.2008, 23:57
      - BIG "C" compiler comparison thread - marcov, 15.04.2008, 10:43
        BIG "C" compiler comparison thread - Rugxulo, 25.07.2008, 06:55
        BIG "C" compiler comparison thread - Rugxulo, 25.07.2008, 23:15
        BIG "C" compiler comparison thread - Steve, 26.07.2008, 00:27
- BIG "C" compiler comparison thread - Khusraw, 04.03.2008, 21:51
  - BIG "C" compiler comparison thread - Rugxulo, 05.03.2008, 01:06
    - BIG "C" compiler comparison thread - Steve, 05.03.2008, 01:50
    - BIG "C" compiler comparison thread - Khusraw, 05.03.2008, 08:01
      - BIG "C" compiler comparison thread - Rugxulo, 05.03.2008, 14:04
        BIG "C" compiler comparison thread - Khusraw, 05.03.2008, 15:46
        BIG "C" compiler comparison thread - Rugxulo, 06.03.2008, 04:40
        BIG "C" compiler comparison thread - Japheth, 06.03.2008, 07:52
        BIG "C" compiler comparison thread - tom, 08.03.2008, 21:50
        BIG "C" compiler comparison thread - Rugxulo, 09.03.2008, 00:53
        BIG "C" compiler comparison thread - Steve, 09.03.2008, 09:36
        BIG "C" compiler comparison thread - tom, 10.03.2008, 12:59
        BIG "C" compiler comparison thread | WC 1.52 - DOS386, 09.03.2008, 03:02
        BIG "C" compiler comparison thread | WC 1.52 - marcov, 07.04.2008, 14:39
        BIG "C" compiler comparison thread | WC 1.52 - Rugxulo, 08.04.2008, 00:09
        BIG "C" compiler comparison thread | WC 1.52 - marcov, 08.04.2008, 14:34
        BIG "C" compiler comparison thread | WC 1.52 - Rugxulo, 08.04.2008, 16:13
        Free Pascal linking - rr, 09.04.2008, 11:40
        Free Pascal linking - marcov, 10.04.2008, 10:40
        Free Pascal linking - rr, 10.04.2008, 12:18
        Free Pascal linking - Rugxulo, 11.04.2008, 06:32
        Free Pascal linking - marcov, 11.04.2008, 14:20
        Free Pascal linking - Rugxulo, 11.04.2008, 16:16
        Free Pascal linking - marcov, 11.04.2008, 20:14
        compression / size wars - Rugxulo, 12.04.2008, 01:13
        compression / size wars - DOS386, 01.05.2008, 04:49
        compression / size wars - Rugxulo, 01.05.2008, 05:32
        FAT OGG - DOS386, 01.05.2008, 05:44
        Free Pascal linking - Japheth, 11.04.2008, 16:39
        Free Pascal linking - Steve, 12.04.2008, 05:19
        Free Pascal linking - marcov, 12.04.2008, 14:41
        Free Pascal linking - Steve, 12.04.2008, 16:09
        Free Pascal linking - marcov, 13.04.2008, 23:42
        Compression - Steve, 14.04.2008, 06:27
        Compression - marcov, 14.04.2008, 11:03
        Compression - Steve, 14.04.2008, 13:32
        Compression - Rugxulo, 14.04.2008, 20:00
        Compression - Steve, 14.04.2008, 20:16
        Compression - marcov, 15.04.2008, 10:40
        Compression - Steve, 15.04.2008, 12:24
        Compression - marcov, 15.04.2008, 15:43
        Compression - Steve, 16.04.2008, 11:32
        Compression - Rugxulo, 14.04.2008, 19:55
        Compression - Steve, 14.04.2008, 20:44
        Compression - marcov, 15.04.2008, 09:59
        Compression - Steve, 15.04.2008, 11:55
        Compression - marcov, 15.04.2008, 15:24
        Compression - Rugxulo, 16.04.2008, 01:13
        Compression - Steve, 16.04.2008, 10:54
        Compression - marcov, 16.04.2008, 16:24
        Compression - Steve, 16.04.2008, 21:27
        Compression - marcov, 16.04.2008, 23:38
        Compression - Steve, 17.04.2008, 12:10
        BIG "C" compiler comparison thread - Khusraw, 06.03.2008, 10:41
- BIG "C" compiler cmp | the "scientific" facts ore out DW - DOS386, 09.03.2008, 02:49
  - BIG "C" compiler cmp | the "scientific" facts ore out DW - Japheth, 09.03.2008, 08:56
  - BIG "C" compiler cmp | the "scientific" facts ore out DW - Steve, 09.03.2008, 12:40
    - BIG "C" compiler cmp | the "scientific" facts ore out DW - Japheth, 10.03.2008, 09:04
      - BIG "C" compiler cmp | the "scientific" facts ore out DW - Steve, 10.03.2008, 13:52
        Ich nix verstehen - andere Baustelle! - Japheth, 10.03.2008, 14:43
        Ich nix verstehen - andere Baustelle! - Steve, 11.03.2008, 10:17
        Ich nix verstehen - andere Baustelle! - marcov, 07.04.2008, 14:44
        Ich nix verstehen - andere Baustelle! - Steve, 08.04.2008, 01:43
        Ich nix verstehen - andere Baustelle! - marcov, 08.04.2008, 14:36
  - BIG "C" compiler cmp | the "scientific" facts ore out DW - rr, 09.03.2008, 22:10
    - BIG "C" compiler cmp | the "scientific" facts ore out DW - Rugxulo, 10.03.2008, 03:39
    - BIG "C" compiler cmp | the "scientific" facts ore out DW - DOS386, 10.03.2008, 09:08
      - BIG "C" compiler cmp | the "scientific" facts ore out DW - rr, 10.03.2008, 12:31
        BIG "C" compiler cmp | DELTREE - DOS386, 01.05.2008, 04:32
        BIG "C" compiler cmp | DELTREE - rr, 02.05.2008, 16:20
  - BIG "C" compiler cmp | the "scientific" facts ore out DW - Steve, 10.03.2008, 06:24
  - BIG "C" compiler cmp | the "scientific" facts ore out DW - RayeR, 10.03.2008, 11:39
    - BIG "C" compiler cmp | the "scientific" facts ore out DW - DOS386, 10.03.2008, 12:07
      - BIG "C" compiler cmp | the "scientific" facts ore out DW - Steve, 10.03.2008, 13:58
        BIG "C" compiler cmp | the "scientific" facts ore out DW - DOS386, 01.05.2008, 05:30
        BIG "C" compiler cmp | the "scientific" facts ore out DW - Steve, 02.05.2008, 00:47
        BIG "C" compiler cmp | the "scientific" facts ore out DW - rr, 02.05.2008, 16:22
        BIG "C" compiler cmp | the "scientific" facts ore out DW - Steve, 03.05.2008, 08:16
      - BIG "C" compiler cmp | the "scientific" facts ore out DW - RayeR, 10.03.2008, 17:55
        BIG "C" compiler cmp | the "scientific" facts ore out DW - Rugxulo, 10.03.2008, 20:49
        BIG "C" compiler cmp | the "scientific" facts ore out DW - RayeR, 10.03.2008, 21:41
        BIG "C" compiler cmp | the "scientific" facts ore out DW - marcov, 07.04.2008, 14:52
    - BIG "C" compiler cmp | the "scientific" facts ore out DW - Khusraw, 10.03.2008, 16:00
      - BIG "C" compiler cmp | the "scientific" facts ore out DW - RayeR, 10.03.2008, 17:42
        BIG "C" compiler cmp | the "scientific" facts ore out DW - Khusraw, 10.03.2008, 17:50
        BIG "C" compiler cmp | the "scientific" facts ore out DW - RayeR, 10.03.2008, 17:56
        BIG "C" compiler cmp | the "scientific" facts ore out DW - marcov, 07.04.2008, 14:55
        BIG "C" compiler cmp | the "scientific" facts ore out DW - Rugxulo, 08.04.2008, 00:02
  - BIG "C" compiler cmp | the "scientific" facts ore out DW - Rugxulo, 11.03.2008, 19:29
    - BIG "C" compiler cmp | the "scientific" facts ore out DW - Steve, 12.03.2008, 08:01
      - BIG "C" compiler cmp | the "scientific" facts ore out DW - Rugxulo, 12.03.2008, 20:13
        BIG "C" compiler cmp | the "scientific" facts ore out DW - Steve, 13.03.2008, 04:10
      - BIG "C" compiler cmp | INTEL - DOS386, 01.05.2008, 04:43
        BIG "C" compiler cmp | INTEL - Steve, 02.05.2008, 00:51
    - BIG "C" compiler cmp | the "scientific" facts ore out DW - marcov, 07.04.2008, 14:58
      - BIG "C" compiler cmp | the "scientific" facts ore out DW - Rugxulo, 07.04.2008, 23:38
        BIG "C" compiler cmp | the "scientific" facts ore out DW - marcov, 10.04.2008, 10:22
        BIG "C" compiler cmp | the "scientific" facts ore out DW - Rugxulo, 11.04.2008, 06:27
        BIG "C" compiler cmp | the "scientific" facts ore out DW - marcov, 11.04.2008, 20:18
    - BIG "C" compiler cmp | the "scientific" facts ore out DW - DOS386, 01.05.2008, 04:41
  - BIG "C" compiler cmp | new facts ore out: OW TCC CC386 - DOS386, 01.05.2008, 04:30
    - BIG "C" compiler cmp | new facts ore out: OW TCC CC386 - Rugxulo, 01.05.2008, 05:27